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Aluminum Powder?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:51 pm
by cannon freak
Any ideas on how to turn aluminum foil into a fine powder. If your wondering this is for use in a small rocket.
I was thinking of making a small ball mill.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:31 pm
by jrrdw
Paper shreader maby?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:58 pm
by dragon finder
first off ANY powderd metal has the potential to explode
any ways a ball mill wont work (i think) you could just by it from a chemical supply or sit down and watch a movie with a chunk of aluminum and a file.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:11 pm
by frankrede
powdered metal explodes?Explain please.
I know they put in titanium in fireworks to add effects.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:31 pm
by jrrdw
Has to be the rite cercumstances to explode, rite amount of air, heat, fuel ect....
you need to join
http://www.skyhighrockets.com/forums/ it's all about rockets.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:50 pm
by cannon freak
The powdered metal can react with air if it is fine enough, same if comes into contact with water . I can't buy it from any supply stores, at least not cheaply. I may be able to get a big block of aluminum so I may jest get out the sander, I don't want to use a grinder for fear of ignition and I was also thinking of encasing it in some clear plastic leading to a bin for collection. I also plan to be wearing a respirator specifically designed for small metallic particles.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:31 pm
by Benny
Naa dont do that, get alluminium foil and put it in a cofee grinder.
Works great.
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:42 pm
by singularity
get some aluminium stock (you know the bars they sell) and sand it with really fine sand paper then scoop up the dust and you got aluninum powder
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:48 pm
by spudmonkey
if what irwinner said does work and you chose to do that ill be happy to send you some 1200 grit sand paper if you want
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:43 pm
by beebs111
put the al foil in a coffe grinder for a while, then run it thru a ball mill
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:43 pm
by dragon finder
HEY looky here it's united nuclear me favorite place
http://unitednuclear.com/chem.htm
the chemical section and look at the first product
(every thing is legal)
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:46 am
by jrrdw
Hey Dragon, i've seen that site, good prices untill you add the shipping, but that allso depends on what your getting and the quanity/weight. As for use 1200 grit sandpaper, you will be sanding for a year just to come up with enough to build 1 engine! By the time you come up with everything you need to make a engine you could just buy them cheeper. Tower Hobbies sells reuseable engines, they are pretty cool, addventuly, they will save you money in the long run.
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:49 am
by mark.f
Just get an aluminum rod and a file. Sandpaper will wear off abrasive and mix it in with the aluminum powder. Just remember that aluminum is a soft metal, so you need to card out the pins frequently. Don't chalk the file beforehand, because then you'll get chalk in the powder.
Me and my buddy just get aluminum power from his dad. He's a retired geologist and has access to a bunch of chemical plants. We also got a jar of potassium perchlorate from him last year.
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:42 am
by cannon freak
Unfortunately I cannot order from united nuclear because they do not ship to Canada.
As for the coffee grinder my friend had suggested that as well, I just thought that even though the metal is "soft"compared to other metals it would still ruin the blades, but I will try it now.
For the sand paper I was thinking of taking an electric palm sander and just leaving it on while resting on the metal block.
I think that I will try beebs111's Idea first, putting in the coffee grinder and then in a ball mill, and then use the ball mill as a mixing station for the chemicals.
On a little side note any ideas on a good ideas on a good substance (CHEAP) to bind the propellant together very densely.
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:41 am
by beebs111
cannon freak wrote:
, and then use the ball mill as a mixing station for the chemicals.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
never mix oxidizers and fuels in a ball mill, i dont know what you are using as an oxidizer, but aluminum is extremely sensitive.