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Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:55 am
by duwem
Image[/img][/img]Working on a cannon that needs to shoot foam stress balls 30’ at targets. I have found it takes about 60psi to propel the balls that far with my small secondary tank.

Only have 30 seconds to get the most targets possible.

Right now I have a 10 gallon tank at 100psi with a pressure regulator feeding a second tank at 60psi. I can get about 10 shots before the 100 psi is too low to build 60 in the second small tank.

But it’s a bit clumsy as I need to shut a ball valve between the big and small tank each time I fire or it will drain the large tank on that shot. I could replace this with a sprinkler valve with solenoid to automate it some.

But , is there an easier/simpler way to get 10 shots out of the tank without extra valves and the praise regulator???

PS I do own a lathe and can make some simple things on it.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:15 am
by farcticox1
Have you tried a smaller chamber? that would reduce the volume used each shot.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:17 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
If you leave the main tank open and just squeeze the pilot blowgun very quickly, does it dump the whole tank or does the sprinkler valve re-close?

Using a momentary valve is a much more efficient way of going about multiple shots than filling and dumping a firing chamber.

I went into the theory here: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=26916

I'm not sure a sprinkler valve will work in this application, assuming they re-close fast enough then having a momentary pilot would be one of the best solutions, without the need for a secondary air tank.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:37 pm
by duwem
why does every post need approval, wow!!

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:05 pm
by duwem
If I leave the ball valve open it does dump a bunch of air out of the main tank. Will take a look at that link.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:06 pm
by duwem
Yes having the ball valve open does dump a bunch of air from the main tank on each shot.

I will take a look at the link

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:34 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
duwem wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:37 pm
why does every post need approval, wow!!
It only applies to your first few posts to filter out new users that join only to spam.

You should consider replacing the sprinkler valve with a QEV:

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You can poke a small hole in the edge of the piston to refill the pilot volume and it will reset rather quickly if used with a momentary pilot.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:39 am
by farcticox1
My videos got age restricted :|

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:55 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
farcticox1 wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:39 am
My videos got age restricted :|
boooo...

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Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:21 pm
by mrfoo
Well that's bad advice. I let people know I was thinking of the children and I ended up on a shortlist.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:52 pm
by duwem
What does the qev gain me over the sprinkler? Better flow? Faster opening?

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:07 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
mrfoo wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:21 pm
I let people know I was thinking of the children and I ended up on a shortlist.
Surprised that stood out on the continent :roll: :D
duwem wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:52 pm
What does the qev gain me over the sprinkler? Better flow? Faster opening?
Probably less flow and faster opening, but most importantly, faster closing.

Instead of needing a separate firing tank that you empty for every shot, you take small sips of air from the main tank instead.

This will give you significantly more shots per tank.

Here is one of my early tests with a home-made QEV and schrader valve as a pilot:



The valve reclosed as soon as the pilot was released.

Re: Multi Shots out of 100psi Tank

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:50 am
by farcticox1
I fill mine through the trigger valve which closes when fired so it can only dump air tfrom the chamber.