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So it looks like my 20mmplus bores are now prohibited!!! What do I do... get them grandfathered and so non-transferable? Do I get a compensation for turning them in?

All my pneumatics are firearms in Canada (over 500fps) and I think any combustion would be too (combustion = fire).

Not happy with the "democratic process" right now.

Sigh.

Boooo. When did that happen?

Edit: did they bundle it with the assault weapons ban? I can't find anything.

Why in the hell do governments feel the need to screw with people's hobbies? Spud guns? Really? They feel the need to tell people what kind of potato launcher to make or not make? GTFO.

Well this is going to be interesting, can't find anything yet, but as far as airguns go this is the law as it stands. So over 500fps is ok if below 5.7 joules.

In Canada, most pellet, airsoft and paintball guns are not legally considered 'firearms. ' Only those guns capable of shooting a projectile faster than 500 feet per second and producing muzzle energy greater than 5.7 joules are regulated under the Firearms Act.

"Also included are two new categories of firearms that
exceed safe civilian use. These are characterized by the following physical attributes: a 20 mm bore or greater and the capacity to discharge a
projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules "

Since that refers to 2 new categories it means that anything over 20mm is prohibited, and anything over 10KJ is prohibited (bye bye 50bmg or epic hybrid)

Yeah it's bundled with the "assault style military grade" prohibition.

Now it looks like there is an exception for "bomb disruptors" so in future perhaps my launchers will be "bomb disruptors", or 20.000000mm bore, or 10 000.000000 J muzzle energy. THeres also the 499.999999 fps muzzle option.

I'm not a lawyer (even if I pretended to be one on Lavalife) but I sure love to find loopholes;)

It would sure be fun to move a spuddy in a "buyback" as a firearm that exceeds safe civilian use.

is that 20mm AND 10,000 joules ? 10,000 sounds like a lot of energy.

Found something, firearm over 20mm bore, so it would have to be classed as a firearm first ?

Anatine Duo wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 7:39 pm

So it looks like my 20mmplus bores are now prohibited!!! What do I do... get them grandfathered and so non-transferable? Do I get a compensation for turning them in?

All my pneumatics are firearms in Canada (over 500fps) and I think any combustion would be too (combustion = fire).

Not happy with the "democratic process" right now.

Sigh.

Come south, we don't care if you have a 50mm bore. Just aim it north L0L...

Could be wrong but my understanding of this new legislation is that in order to fall under this ban a device must have a bore >20mm and be capable of launching a projectile with a muzzle energy of >10kJ. Therefore it does not apply to most spudguns, which are capable of much less than even 1kJ. However, many of our cannons were already illegal under existing laws, which prohibited anyone without a PAL from owning and operating any device with >495fps muzzle velocity and I think >6J muzzle energy. This law tends not to be enforced very strictly.

Overall, the new ban is mostly security theatre intended to assuage fears after the recent NS shooting. It won't help much if at all with the crime problem when most of the crime guns are smuggled from the US.

SpudBlaster15 wrote: ↑

Thu May 07, 2020 5:43 pm

It won't help much if at all with the crime problem when most of the crime guns are smuggled from the US.

My bad bro.

Anatine Duo wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:17 am

It would sure be fun to move a spuddy in a "buyback" as a firearm that exceeds safe civilian use.

You could turn out simple combustions by the dozen and turn a good profit

These new restrictions are so arbitrary and overreaching that they will hopefully tread on enough toes to generate a meaningful push-back.

The real question is what will become of my .223 stockpile without a Mini-14?

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote: ↑

Thu May 14, 2020 4:57 am

The real question is what will become of my .223 stockpile without a Mini-14?

Shoulda stockpiled .308. I don't see anything in the new bill about something like a PTR-91 although I'm certainly no expert on Canada's firearms laws and it may have already been restricted/prohibited.

mark.f wrote: ↑

Thu May 14, 2020 8:09 am

something like a PTR-91 although I'm certainly no expert on Canada's firearms laws and it may have already been restricted/prohibited.

Already prohibited:

The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it

Maybe a Kel Tec SU-16 or RDB...

Late to the party but FWIW, the law is written as an AND. A medium sized potato leaving the barrel at 500 FPS has a bit over 3kJ of energy, so that's fine. A 2" barrel at the same velocity would be 1.6kJ. It would have to be shooting over 1200 fps to be prohibited. A 20mm slug of a potato is going to way less, maybe 60g... it would need a muzzle velocity of 2000 fps to be an issue.

It says here only one of the characteristics is sufficient unfortunately.

from https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntr ... fa-en.aspx

"In addition to the list prohibited by model, all firearms with one or more of the following physical characteristics are prohibited on the basis that their potential power exceeds safe civilian use:

Firearms with a bore 20mm or greater (e.g., grenade launchers)
Firearms capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules (e.g. sniper rifles)"