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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:31 pm
by velocity3x
Gun Freak wrote:
You missed the unquote by the way.
Yes I did but..... I did get the pressure / force question correct. :lol:

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:45 pm
by Davidvaini
make sure you run GGDT as administrator..sometimes that error will come up if you dont.

and if you cant run it as administrator, ask your parents for permission.

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:16 pm
by Gun Freak
We all have administrative privledges or whatever.

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:55 pm
by btrettel
Gun Freak, have you tried my suggestion? The thread below I believe contains the relevant information. If not, try the other ones that come up in the search I mentioned.

http://www.spudfiles.com/spudtech_archi ... f=1&t=3154

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:43 am
by D_Hall
Davidvaini wrote:It is the premiere tool for gas gun design.
To be fair, I think it's more accurate to simply refer to it as the most popular.

Jimmy101 and Btrettel both put out codes that are every bit as good as GGDT(*). And I believe they're open source for those who want to look at the guts of such programs.




(*) And possibly better for transonic. I know Btrettel is workign that issue harder than I did when I was writing GGDT. Although I'm prepping for a full rewrite... ;)

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:50 am
by velocity3x
D_Hall wrote: Although I'm prepping for a full rewrite... ;)
D_Hall
I recently had use of some radar equipment and operators. For laughs, they tracked my golf ball cannon. I fired 5 shots ranging from 685-1194.22 fps. I entered the firing psi into GGDT after each shot and GGDT predicted the velocity to be only 3-7 fps slower than the actual shot. If GGDT has a problem.... it wasn't apparent in my tests.

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:04 am
by CpTn_lAw
Yup, you did a great job writing those programs D_Hall. HGDT works great , GGDT works great. What language did you write it in?

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:19 am
by Gun Freak
btrettel wrote:Gun Freak, have you tried my suggestion? The thread below I believe contains the relevant information. If not, try the other ones that come up in the search I mentioned.

http://www.spudfiles.com/spudtech_archi ... f=1&t=3154
I did everything they said to do on that thread except the one about right clicking on the ini file. Where is that file? It's not in the GGDT folder for me.

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:38 pm
by CpTn_lAw
Right click ==> Run in compatibility mode ==> windows vista.

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:50 pm
by Gun Freak
I got it to run... finally. What does "barrel choking flow" mean?

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:41 pm
by D_Hall
Gun Freak wrote:I got it to run... finally. What does "barrel choking flow" mean?
It means that the choke point in your flow isn't in the valve (which is often the case), but rather in the breech of your barrel. This is actually a good thing, but it also means that upgrading your valve will not result in better performance.



edit(s)....

@Velocity: Thanks. It's rare to get reliable feedback.

@Cptn: Again, thanks. I wrote it in Visual Basic 6.0 but don't imagine for a second that was my preferred language. It just happened to be the development environment I had lying around so I used it. Historically, I'm an ANSI C guy (I loooove C). So I've purchased MS Developer's Studio 2008 (which includes Visual C++). I've not a lot of experience with non-ANSI compliant C so there'll definitely be a learning curve, but there are so many things that I would like to do with the code that I simply don't know how to do in Visual Basic but would be trivial to do in C.

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:01 pm
by Gun Freak
D_Hall wrote:but rather in the breech of your barrel.
My barrel does not have a breech, it is a co-ax.

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:12 pm
by Ragnarok
Gun Freak wrote:My barrel does not have a breech
So it's a barrel with only one end?

In this sense, breech is being used as a term for the non-muzzle end of the barrel. It might typically refer to breech loading, but what else would you call "the other end of the barrel"?

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:41 pm
by Gun Freak
So is it being choked because the ammo or what?

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:04 pm
by D_Hall
Gun Freak wrote:So is it being choked because the ammo or what?
It's being choked because that's where the flow chokes. That's what fluids do in non-trivial pressure differential driven flows; they choke.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what to say... You haven't the education to understand the explanation. Or perhaps I'm a bad teacher. Anybody got a super-basic explanation for the concept of choked flow?