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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:35 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
You don't need to lubricate the cartridges for effective feeding, remember that because of pre-ignition pressure, the cartridge diameter expands ever so slightly. It's important that when you check for fit, you do so with a pressurised cartridge. After the cartridge is fired, this pressure is gone so it contracts to its original size, making extraction much easier as there is less friction.
The only problem with not having some sort of claw system is that in the case of a misfire, it's a little tricky to remove the dud cartridge... though in practice, pointing the launcher upwards and manually pulling back the bolt should do the trick.
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:39 am
by nitrogigi
yeah!!!! good idea
I rebuilded a simpler shell, if it works it would be awesome
I'm thinking about H2 as fuel, but with air as comburant and not O2 wich were too dangerous, but I didn't find how to calculate the pressure produced by such a combustion... does someone knows?
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:36 am
by nitrogigi
in cas of misfire I put a magnet on the piston, wich would pull the cartridge back
about your cartridge : how do you regulate the "burst" pressure of your system?
HGDT give me an optimal pressure of burst between 25 and 30 bars.... but I don't know how to be sure it won't fire before with your system
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:43 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
nitrogigi wrote:I'm thinking about H2 as fuel, but with air as comburant and not O2 wich were too dangerous, but I didn't find how to calculate the pressure produced by such a combustion... does someone knows?
It's not going to be much different from what propane or butane will give you if you're calculating using HGDT
about your cartridge : how do you regulate the "burst" pressure of your system?
HGDT give me an optimal pressure of burst between 25 and 30 bars.... but I don't know how to be sure it won't fire before with your system
You need to have some way of adjusting the o-ring compression, ideally it would be between two threaded fittings.
Do you have access to machine tools for this project?
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:25 am
by nitrogigi
I'm designing in parralel an all-in-one machine tool on a driller basis
in blue, the part machined, in orange the wheels and in red the tool
you can see the 2 mods : turning and milling[/img]
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:34 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
I would say save some money and buy a proper lathe and mill, but if you fancy the adventure go ahead

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:48 am
by nitrogigi
a driller costs about 60 € at first price, I would have maybe for 40 mor for the rest
a lathe+mill in one costs around 600 €
the difference in quick seen
ok, I won't have a super precision, because I'll use normal threaded shaft for the mooving of the tool/part, but I've already machined on old crapy machines , and my grand-father teached me own to supress the clearance
I already have the tools given by my grand father
thoose are good old resistant tools not the crapy ones of today they sell to the public
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:35 pm
by nitrogigi
here are the firsts outifit of the 3D model:

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:46 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Reminds me vaguely of the F2000

how do you plan on making the body?
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:06 am
by nitrogigi
I'll make it in two wood parts with the inner milled to place all the parts
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:06 pm
by nitrogigi
here is the electronics sketch:
the reed switch is a normaly closed
to lock it in semi-auto mode, the selector avoid the trigger to get full back, so that the white part is between the two conductors
to shoot in full auto, you push the trigger slowly, so, when the grey part of the trigger makes contact, the coil loads, when the white part is between the contacts, the coil sparks, the blowback acts, you push the trigger full back, the coil reloads, a new shell comes, open the reed contact, and the coil sparks again, the cycle is launched
motha fu**** sh**, I just saw it doesn't work.... I found the solution but it's now time to sleep for me
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:23 pm
by Goats spudz
Milling with the drill press isn't such a good idea, there not build for the stress of feeding it into the work and eventually you will wear out your bearings.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:42 pm
by nitrogigi
this will only be for very light machining, and I'll add a bearing above the chuck, the heaviest machining I'll do may be milling 1 mm of aluminium with a 10mm of diameter mill