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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:01 pm
by PaperNinja
Actually, a scramjet would be better, they are capable of higher speeds
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:23 pm
by ferret_guy
But they require much higher speeds initially i am currently playing with ideas in Autocad CDF i will post results shortly
Edit:
After several different destines this is the one that did the best
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:51 am
by PaperNinja
Hm, thank you!
It kinda makes sense that shape, because the "pressure point" is so far forward, by the time the gas ignites it has a lot of surface area to push on, unless I'm thinking of it the wrong way.
I'm still hoping those guides can double as fins

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:33 am
by ferret_guy
idk i will do some free flow sims today
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:04 am
by PaperNinja
Hey is that projectile above a ramjet or scramjet? I forgot to ask earlier...
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:59 pm
by ferret_guy
It has charastics of both but more similar to scramjet
Edit: It looks like it ill flw well with the fins
But it will make an epic shockwave
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:56 pm
by PaperNinja
Shockwave
Though with a projectile like that you'd need a sabot, or else it'll be really not airtight (for the injector) and inefficient...
Now if only I had a Hawaiian island so this could be like a 70-stage accelerator
How small will these projectiles be? I should be done with a .22 caliber 40x hybrid sometime after Christmas, which could be an injector for the accelerator.
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:12 pm
by ferret_guy
This is what happens when it moves too fast (it ignites the gas in front of it) blow back seems like it would be bad...
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:14 pm
by PaperNinja
Well as long as the injector seals against the accelerator, blowback should be TOO much of an issue, as long as the injector can take the pressures.
Also, I recently edited my above post, not sure if you noticed.
Edit: looks like I misunderstood your post
That does seem like an issue, like a jet firing it's engine backwards... Though if it's going supersonic, I don't quite understand why that would happen
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:20 pm
by ferret_guy
The projectiles are 2in in diameter and by blow back i mean it would ignite the gas in-front of it blowing the projectile back into the gun
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:22 pm
by PaperNinja
How do professional accelerators avoid blowback? I'm gonna research a bunch and see if I can comeup with anything...
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 pm
by ferret_guy
I would love to see this built and played with I think it could be a new era for spud guns (that of the ridiculously expensive projectiles shot at extremely high speeds just because you can)
Edit: After duble checking my math you would need pressures in the 190,000psi to get the oxygen/hydrogen gas to get it up to the 1095deg F required for ignition. I was looking at butane due to its much lower spontaneous ignition temperature (However I a assuming that just the pressure increase is creating the change in temperature not anything additional so this could be inaccurate)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:36 pm
by PaperNinja
Hm, 200k psi is a little high for any commercially available tubing... Though I have seen 100k psi rated.
That's not the only thing igniting it however, because the flame front from the injector should help light the gas. Once the cycle is started, I believe the flame front behind the projectile should help light it.
Also, though it doesn't have to be mini, or just petit, I think a small caliber than 2" would probably be more fun.(not so much huge heavy stuff to store/transport) also, it's very hard to find stuff (or make it) that's safe with extreme pressures at so large a size.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:44 pm
by ferret_guy
Well I did a little digging and Autodesk CDF cannot simulate the shock wave in sutch a small space as the tube, so the shock wave would impart enough energy on the gas to ignite it, at least according to what I read. I will have to brush up on my, well everything.
Edit: here is one of the papers that I thought was the best
https://people.mcgill.ca/files/andrew.h ... 09-632.pdf
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:07 pm
by ramses
As I remember, Autodesk CFD doesn't simulate compressible fluids.