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Hydrogen is NOT an oxidizer. Hydrogen requires oxygen to create large explosions, there the need of an oxidizer is present, but hydrogen itself is NOT an oxidizer. Thank you.

boilingleadbath wrote:Hydrogen is not an oxidizer.
Do what the nice doctor said, and take your pills.

What are you smokeing? Last time i check Hydrogen is a oxidizer, why do you think they use it in the cars? The properties in it when mixed with like hairspray will make it burn so rapildilty, DDT will casue the chamber to expolde, it is like OxyAceline(spelling)When the acceline is lit it is hot but not hot enought to cut add oxygen and it will burn thought anything, the same thing with Hydrogen.

Josh

WOW!! wrote:

boilingleadbath wrote:Hydrogen is not an oxidizer.
Do what the nice doctor said, and take your pills.

What are you smokeing? Last time i check Hydrogen is a oxidizer, why do you think they use it in the cars? The properties in it when mixed with like hairspray will make it burn so rapildilty, DDT will casue the chamber to expolde, it is like OxyAceline(spelling)When the acceline is lit it is hot but not hot enought to cut add oxygen and it will burn thought anything, the same thing with Hydrogen.

Josh

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You idiot, it's because the hydrogen is mixed with oxygen. Quote from wikipedia: When mixed with oxygen, hydrogen explodes upon ignition.

Hydrogen can't be an oxidizer because it is not, or does not contain oxygen in it. It oxidizes when mixed with oxygen, why? Becuase oxygen is an oxidizer. Oxygen=oxidizer Hydrogen= no oxidizer

I think you need to lay off whatever you're smokin and get some of what BLB is smoking, becuase it's made him pretty smart

You sound like you have NO clue wtf you're talking about, so I suggest you go and check again, because the last time you did, you musta gotten some faulty info.

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I saw more bullshits on this topic then in any other.

Hay drac you must give us the times you are going to rant so we can come and watch,hehe,i dont want to miss the next rant

Some minor terminology for you drac:
'fuels' or other things that react with an oxidizer are "reducers"
Oxidizers arn't limmited to oxygen - halogens, carbogens, and others qualify too. Though you won't be playing with these.

boilingleadbath wrote:Some minor terminology for you drac:
'fuels' or other things that react with an oxidizer are "reducers"
Oxidizers arn't limmited to oxygen - halogens, carbogens, and others qualify too. Though you won't be playing with these.

I'll remember that for the future!
I thought that oxidizers were limited to oxygen containing compounds. Guess we haven't learned about that in chemistry yet.

I've heard about carbogens, but I didn't think that the halogens would be oxidizers.

drac's right heres the definition (courtesy of dictionary.com)
oxidize
v 1: enter into a combination with oxygen or become converted into an oxide
hydrogen is an element, therefor in an elemental form it cant contain oxygen

Ok iam sorry, i was reading this aritcle, but dont get pissed at me, i should have done more rearch on it.

just for reference, hrydrogen has 500 psi combustion pressure with no oxidiser.

Hydrogen can't combust without an oxidyzer.

What do you think we just finished discussing/ranting about?

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how long have you been waiting to use that pic

Spudmonkey, a dictionary is not a suitable chemistry reference manual.

From chemguide.co.uk (where I learned most of my stuff):

Oxidation is loss of electrons.
Reduction is gain of electrons.

(from the redox section) (you won't learn redox chemistry untill second year, drac)

Now, if you look at carbon for instance, you notice that it's significantly less electronegitive than oxygen, so it forms a mildly ionic bond with it.
Being a mildly ionic bond, this means that the oxygen has to some extent 'taken' the valence electrons of the carbon - meaning that the carbon was oxidized by the oxygen. (conversly, the oxygen was reduced by the carbon)

However, florine (or clorine, or sulfur, ect) are also more electronegitive than carbon, and will thus also form a partialy ionic bond in which the other chemical has unfair control over the electrons - gained them - and thus has oxidized them.

I'm in the advanced Chemistry course at my school. We've learned a little bit about redox reactions. Not enough for me to be proficient, but then a little bit of reasearch on my own couldn't hurt.

I find electronegativity to be one of the less challenging topics in the course.

So basically anything that is more electronegative than carbon could oxidize it?

drac wrote:Hydrogen can't combust without an oxidyzer.

What do you think we just finished discussing/ranting about?

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bastard. you caught me off gaurd, i was tired, no hard feelings.