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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:43 pm
by john bunsenburner
In the us you get either 110 or 120v, while in europe you get 220, 240v exactly double...

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:05 pm
by rp181
Really? i did not know that. How would you use the full potential?

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:20 pm
by john bunsenburner
what do you mean full potential?

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:39 pm
by rp181
for jimmy's comment,240v in the us.sorry for short reply, im typing on a barcode scanner.

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:25 am
by microman171
Typing on a barcode scanner? :?

I would like to have an electric 'metal melter', but I think it would probably end up costing a lot with all of the power...

Me personally? I say go with a waste oil burning furnace - hot enough to melt iron I think!

What do you mean by dirty? As in producing lots of black smoke?

I wouldn't know, I've only used a charcoal furnace (with various solid fuel).

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:34 am
by john bunsenburner
WVO needs to be ignited first, if the flame then goes out i am screwed, if i build a bad burner it will smoke my alli not melt it, i have to filter it, it is unpleasent and leaves a big mess...While electrical power or propane have none of these problems...Just propane cylinders tend to run out when you need them while electricity is always there!

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:41 pm
by rp181
intermec ck3 barcode scanner my dad brang from work. There trying to implement that system.
I am going to attempt a induction heater today (parts re coming today), Ile post results =p

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:07 pm
by john bunsenburner
ok, thanks m8!message too short...

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:10 pm
by marpat
the toaster elements work with lead and is actually quite covemient for casting ammuntion. but it does not melt much else :[

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:13 pm
by john bunsenburner
No alli? it should, how are you using them?

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:39 pm
by rp181
toaster is the worst option of heating elements. Try a hairdryer, or a oven if your feeling ambitious =p

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:56 pm
by jimmy101
john bunsenburner wrote:In the us you get either 110 or 120v, while in europe you get 220, 240v exactly double...
No, in the US you get 110/120 at standard wall outlets. The circuit breaker box is supplied with 220/240V. The outlets for high power appliances are 220/240V.

Most homes have a 220/240V circuit for an electric clothes dryer that is wired to an outlet for a special plug. Use that for the furnace. (Many of the other high voltage circuits don't go an actual outlet, the wiring is done in a box.)

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:15 pm
by rp181
I always thought those where just for higher current. So my fuse for my dryer is 60A. Is that 60A at 240v?
Is that why all the high power fuses (dryer with 2 30A and double oven with 2 50A) are composed of two breakers put together? for both legs of th circuit?

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:59 pm
by jimmy101
rp181 wrote:I always thought those where just for higher current. So my fuse for my dryer is 60A. Is that 60A at 240v?
Is that why all the high power fuses (dryer with 2 30A and double oven with 2 50A) are composed of two breakers put together? for both legs of th circuit?
Exactly, 60A at 240V (14.4KW). The two legs of the supply are both used instead of one leg and ground. The legs are 180 degrees out of phase with each other, when one leg is at +120V the other is at -120V giving 240V between the legs and across the appliance.

That is why the dryer has a special plug. You can't plug a standard 120V plug into the dryer's outlet. Even something simple like a 120V 100W light bulb would be "unhappy" with a 240VAC supply.

240V circuits include a ground plug so that the appliance also has 120V available to run the controls, lights etc.

A 240V circuit has two "hots" and doesn't require a "common" (ground) though the ground is there for safety reasons. A standard 120V circuit has one "hot" and a "common" (ground). For safety reasons a 120V circuit has an extra, true ground. "Common" is connected to ground in the breaker box but "common" and ground are not the same thing. There should never be any current in the true ground wire, there is current in the common when a device is plugged into the circuit.

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:00 pm
by microman171
You got results with a toaster? Wow!