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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:51 am
by Goats spudz
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:14 pm
by wyz2285
hum... interesting stuff
Are these cylinders operates as fast as a solenoid? anyway that 3-way is a cool thing to buy

gonna ask my dad for more money

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:08 pm
by pneumaticcannons
wow im just finding this post know...

what about a aeg pistol? I've seen cheapo models in the states for $40. You would get a nice grip too. Im just wondering if that would be over kill though as it is just functioning as a hammer lol.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:51 pm
by wyz2285
No problem, feel free to share your idea anytime
A AEG pistol is a little overkill to be used as hammer, I have thought about it. Have in consideration of the price, even through it would come with a already made electronic selection fire. Specially here where I live is extremely strict about realistic bb guns, buy it from ebay it's impossible, buy one from store will cost me 87euro, too much to dismount it.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:09 pm
by Goats spudz
where do you live because then we can find some friendly suppliers
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:37 pm
by al-xg
How about you go about this differently and only use the solenoid as a release mechanism for a more classic spring powered hammer using blow back to re-cock ?
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:20 am
by wyz2285
I live in Portugal, practically the worst place a spuder can be.
I spent last night thinking about using air to blow back a spring hammer, for this valve is very easy, I only have to drill a port in the back of the valve stem. But can't give me selection fire, witch is my main goal of this project, only full auto, as I can't figure out a trigger mechanism for semi auto.
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:25 am
by pneumaticcannons
-No-
thailand is the worst
personally, I think the blowback thing would defeat the purpose of the valve you have created. What happened to the solenoid that you said you ordered? did it work?
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:37 am
by wyz2285
The problem is that solenoid isn´t working as good as I hoped, the metal core of the solenoid only alows 2 cm of travel distance, the valve needs at least 1.5cm lifting only 0.5 cm for the hammer to accelerate before hit the valve

right now I my try to make a longer core for the solenoid
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:09 am
by al-xg
personally, I think the blowback thing would defeat the purpose of the valve you have created.
Technically his design is allready somewhat blow back operated.
Select fire with a solenoid operated sear would be pretty easy to acheive.
As far as semi-auto is concerned nearly all blowback powered airguns/paintball guns/... would run full auto if it wasn't for the trigger group design. Have you had a look at the ZDSPB.com marker animations ?
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:15 am
by wyz2285
Yes I have looked some paintball animations, some of them are quite neat design, but make those trigger with precision with the tools that I have is difficult.
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:26 am
by wyz2285
After a small modification of the valve´s spring, the solenoid+valve is working
So I ordered
this, it´s a NE555 timer chip.
After a short reading about 555 timer chips, I´m not able to come up with a circuit for semi/auto (a 3 shot burst fire if possible

). So if somebody have already done this, help is very appreciated

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:44 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
wyz2285 wrote:After a small modification of the valve´s spring, the solenoid+valve is working

video!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:10 am
by wyz2285
Jack can't you wait until it's more presentable? It's quite ghetto now, and I only put well made products on my youtube channel
Right now just a 12v dc input to the solenoid, when turn it on, opens the valve, when turned off, the valve closes, smooth action
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:15 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
wyz2285 wrote:Right now just a 12v dc input to the solenoid, when turn it on, opens the valve, when turned off, the valve closes, smooth action
That sounds presentable enough
