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Ragnarok wrote:Couchquail, though I very much agree with some of your points, Killjoy didn't cross any legal boundary I can think of with that.

killjoy had actually quoted novacastrian here. i didn't believe a double quote of novacastrian was necessary.


if anyone else has any more comments please re-read the entire thread, my points were quite clear as were the original posters. ignorance is not a further excuse for additional comments. i refuse to continue this spoonfeeding.

enjoy your weekend

Jeez, I knew I shouldn't have let this go. I got PM's about it days ago however due to my schedule and the fact that it was said emails were already sent, I figured this would blow over (since at that time it appeared that cajuncannons was not going to respond to anyone).

I am disappointed that some of my members here would act this way, up to the point where I have to be contacted by others with threats of legal action against SpudFiles for the behavior in this thread.

Pointing out safety hazards in the cannon designs on this website is one thing, however threatening the owner is not acceptable. Giving harsh criticism is still fine, however saying that you want to call the owner then posting his contact information is wrong. So is threatening with a DDoS attack.

As a note to people earlier in this thread, technically posting his contact information is perfectly legal due to the fact that he is required by law to provide it for anyone in the world. It is the same with anyone who owns a domain name. However associating his contact information and harassment is totally illegal.

I am going to keep this thread open so that correct safety tips can be given. However cajuncannon the members here will still probably give you plenty of crap about the distance claims on your website. Plus the fact that SCH40 pipe does not mean the pipe is safe. The pipe needs to have a pressure rating on it, along with every fitting used. It is very easy to find pipe and fittings that are SCH40 and sometimes even solid core, but they need a pressure rating to ensure the correct pipe is being used.

If I see so much of a hint of anymore unnecessary behavior, this thread will be closed immediately and the member will be promptly dealt with. The same goes for anyone from cajuncannons.

cajuncannon wrote:I appreciate the removal of my contact info. If you'd like to communicate further, please email me. Thanks again, guys!

Steve

No problem, but like PCGUY said anyone can find it.

I had a similar incident with the owner of SpudGunExtreme, he gave us some bad distance info with outrageous claims of 700yards with a golfball and sprinkler valve. Anyway we had a thread similar to this, though it was a bit more professional, after it was over I ended up emailing this guy a lot and we get on well and we mainly talk spudguns and help each other out.

That was a huge turn around that surprised me, so remember it can always turn around and you could end up learning some more info, we could help you with some of your safety issues or just address them to you in a more professional manner.

What I don't think is getting across is that we all here at spudfiles look to better the spudgun community and keep this hobby legal in the US and keep all the bad stuff out of the media and just make spudguns safe as possible, if you need help we are willing to give it.

Thanks for your understanding.

@couchquail: I started writing that post after the first post by cajuncannon, so it didn't take into account the posts after that one.
I was in and out of the room cooking dinner, so it took a little while to write.

So, it is out of place for when it was posted, but not so much when it was written.

@Hotwired: Talking about machining, I'm dreading even trying to find a quote for some work I'd like done.

EDIT: Spelling

Yeah... I'm thinking of saving up a respectable pile of money before I even go to ask for a quote for the little designs I'm drawing.

The place I'm thinking of: Mackays sells all kinds of sizes of stock metals and has a machining department somewhere which sounds fairly sophisticated without seeming too intimidating to approach.

I'm wondering how many launchers he has sold in the last 5 years??? I don't think i missed that info if he posted it. If so someone please inlighten me/us. Remember SpudFile members, what gets Spudfiles looked at, gets it's members looked at.

@Hotwired: Damn, why can't I find a place like that near me?

My mostly complete designs (they just need dimensioning) are fairly standard machining - I could do it myself with a half day in a machine shop.
The problem is I don't know what standard costs are like.

while his standards are not up to this community's he has not done anything illegal that you know of. each one of the above quotes can be used against in a lawsuit. just because you are hiding on the internet doesn't mean you are above the law.

right now he has a better legal case against the above members than they against him. if his business is 100% legal and he is insured he should be talking to his lawyer right now about the above threats.

PCGUY should be taking appropriate actions to further himself from the above members. you know like deleting their posts and accounts.


enjoy your weekend

Coach, they were jokes. You know, trying to keep things from being too serious and rampaging. And anyone who tried to use that in a case woulnd't have much of anything.

But your right, I did get out of line about a lot of the stuff, sometimes I forget to use my common sense and can be and idiotic a**hole. Sorry cajun, things got carried away, but glad to have you here.

Killjoy wrote:...Sorry cajun, things got carried away, but glad to have you here.

I don't know if he'll be back after all of that.

i saw this site about a year ago and it disgusted me. something i also don't like about this site is they don't exactly tell you what your buying like only they can make cannon and everything they have no one else can make. i think this is un fair to people who have never seen a cannon before and they think they have to buy one to have one

did you know you can make your own clothes? yet people manufacture and sell them.
how about pizza? the grocery store sells a whole lot of pretty nasty frozen pies.

come to think of it, unless it's firearms, nuclear devices or pharmaceuticals you can manufacture anything you want.

while some people are very handy with tools and understand the sciences behind a simple spud gun there are many people that don't. simple spud guns require very little knowledge to use safely. anyone can use one, but not everyone can build one.

disgusting is the mentality that free enterprise is wrong. several of the members here sell launchers also.

also cajuncannons does sell plans, so obviously they do believe that anyone can make a launcher.

Well he does have the right to sell plans if he wants to, but its like any other thing (at least this is what i do) I look for a way to do it free rather than buying things. So if you searched enough on the internet, there are many simple plans on how to make cannons. Anyone can make a simple pneumatic cannon is what i think, but everyone doesnt have the initative to make one because they maybe lazy, so instead of making one, they simply buy one. Which they can from cajun cannons. But if he is going to sell cannons, i just think that they shpuld be honest with the distance and specific meaning that if it went 700 yards, then they shopuld test it to see if it actually did go 700 yards. If not, they give the accurate distance of how far that projectile went. The more specific, the less questioning you will have.

Honestly, if people want to pay over $100 for a ball valve-based pneumatic (which I'm still convinced is made of DWV) than that's their problem. Caveat emptor and all that.

couchquail wrote: disgusting is the mentality that free enterprise is wrong. several of the members here sell launchers also.

The members here that do sell launchers are usually very hi-grade launchers you don't find anywhere else and/or have their homemade lathe-machined piston valve on them.

Members at SpudFiles are fine with people selling spudguns, but if you are going to sell spudguns at least be honest to your customers and make the launcher as safe as possible.

Now i'm not saying cajuncannons are unsafe and he's lying i'm just saying it in general.

couchquail wrote: also cajuncannons does sell plans, so obviously they do believe that anyone can make a launcher.

Or they just want a 'honest' dollar
Unlike selling spudguns, most members at SF don't like people who sell plans, because it more or less cheats people of money, they can come here and get plans for free and extra help while they're at it.

Plans also limit people to what they are building, if the plans are for an inline pneumatic they would have no idea how to add 2 90* elbows to make it an over under, they don't know the limitations of what you can do with a spudgun design, but if they design it themselves they learn all that.

Plus with plans you can't really customize it yourself.

Just a hint couchquail, arguing with established members, especially senior members, is not a good way to introduce yourself to a forum. Now I understand that I am fairly new to this forum also, but this is something that I have picked from a lot of different forums, some where you can get flamed into oblivion just by posting in the wrong thread.

Not that you've done any serious arguing, but it's usually better to gain some respect as an upstanding member before arguing, regardless of whether you actually know your stuff.