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Potential pneumatic - question
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:03 pm
by Coodude26
I have already made 2 pneumatics with success and now I'd like to try a pneumatic.
I'm somewhat new to these forums so I might not know all the terms that well.
I want to make a pneumatic, reload action, as shown in this diagram:
(I spent a lot of time on the diagram - hopefully it makes sense) P.S. It doesn't load right in the thumbnail, you have to click it. Sorry about that.
If you don't know what I mean by reload action, go down and read "Reload action"
I am worried that I might not have the same pressure every shot. How can I avoid this, hopefully using this same basic design?
Thanks for all your help.
RELOAD ACTION
Phase 0 - Ball valve, handle valve are closed, projectile in barrel.
phase 1 - Handle valve opened, releasing pressure from main pressure chamber into secondary pressure chamber.
Phase 2 - Handle valve closes.
Phase 3 - Ball valve opened, letting pressure out behind projectile shooting it.
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:26 pm
by TurboSuper
Uhh...a "handle valve" is just a different form of ball valve, and ball valves are pretty suck for pneumatics. You may want to consider using a sprinkler valve or QEV instead.
What's the purpose of two pressure chambers? Safety?
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:28 pm
by Coodude26
No, the point is that I could get more than one shot from a fully-loaded primary pressure chamber. Fill the secondary, close the first valve, open the second to shoot, close the second, open the first to refill, open second to shoot again.
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:31 pm
by sandman
so then use a sprinkler as the valve connected to the barrel and you can still achieve this
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:33 pm
by TurboSuper
Interesting. The only problem I can see is that your pressure will decrease each shot since the volume is increasing. The workaround would be to charge the main chamber to a high pressure, and use a pressure regulator to step it down.
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:33 pm
by Coodude26
But with each repressurization of the secondary pressure chamber it won't have equal pressure each shot?
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:34 pm
by Coodude26
Thanks turbosuper. Damn same time posts!
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:36 pm
by TurboSuper
You're welcome...damn not refreshing enough

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:53 pm
by Pilgrimman
If you really want multiple shots, and you aren't willing to use an air compressor or HPA, etc. I would suggest a backpack with as big an air reservoir as you can fit. This gun must be small caliber, or it will simply use too much air. I would think .50 would be the biggest practical bore, as the chamber must be relatively small for many shots. *looks at what he wrote* Man, that's confusing, huh?

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:54 am
by psycix
The pressure WILL drop each shot. But there are ways for not having that.
You can use an high-pressure tank (way higher pressure then your gun will operate at) and a regulator to get the same power each shot.
This would proably call for a metal primairy chamber.
Or, just use a CO2 tank.
The handle valve IS a ball valve. It just has a different handle.
But do not use ball valves as valve, rather use a modded sprinkler. An easy way to get such a sprinkler, is to order one from
http://www.bcarms.com
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:16 pm
by Coodude26
psycix wrote:The pressure WILL drop each shot. But there are ways for not having that.
You can use an high-pressure tank (way higher pressure then your gun will operate at) and a regulator to get the same power each shot.
This would proably call for a metal primairy chamber.
Or, just use a CO2 tank.
The handle valve IS a ball valve. It just has a different handle.
But do not use ball valves as valve, rather use a modded sprinkler. An easy way to get such a sprinkler, is to order one from
http://www.bcarms.com
That has been already established, thanks. Almost word-for-word.
TurboSuper wrote:Interesting. The only problem I can see is that your pressure will decrease each shot since the volume is increasing. The workaround would be to charge the main chamber to a high pressure, and use a pressure regulator to step it down.
sandman wrote:so then use a sprinkler as the valve connected to the barrel and you can still achieve this