Speed limit?
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 9:34 pm
Can a propane-air mixture allow projectiles to exceed the internal speed-of-sound limit associated with their combustion?
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Statement 1: "The upper limit of projectile velocity is determined by the speed of sound."
· Applicable scenario: Steady-state flow (e.g., Laval nozzles, rocket nozzles), or deflagration mode (conventional flame propagation).
· Physical content: In a constant-cross-section duct, choked flow locks the gas flow velocity at the local speed of sound. In deflagration, the flame propagation speed itself is far below the speed of sound, energy release is slow, and the projectile velocity is naturally limited to a relatively low level.
· Conclusion: In this scenario, the speed of sound is indeed a hard ceiling.
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Statement 2: "The projectile velocity can exceed the speed of sound, and the upper limit is far higher than the speed of sound."
· Applicable scenario: Transient expansion (projectile acceleration inside a gun barrel), or detonation mode (supersonic combustion wave).
· Physical content: In transient expansion, the macroscopic directed velocity of gas particles can far exceed the local speed of sound (because the pressure differential is large enough). As long as the gas velocity remains higher than the projectile velocity, the projectile can continue to accelerate. In detonation, the combustion wave itself propagates at supersonic speed, and the driven gas velocity increases correspondingly.
· Conclusion: In this scenario, the speed of sound is not the direct limit on projectile velocity; rather, the macroscopic flow velocity of the gas is the immediate condition that determines whether the projectile can continue to accelerate.
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The ultimate limiting velocity of the projectile is determined by the thermodynamic limit formula:
v_{max} = \sqrt{\frac{2\gamma}{\gamma-1} \cdot R \cdot T_0}
· For propane–air (deflagration, ~2200 K), this limit is approximately 3700 m/s.
· For propane–air (detonation, higher temperature), this limit would be even higher (though extremely difficult to achieve in practice).
However: In a short barrel, the actual velocity the projectile can achieve (200–800 m/s) is far below the thermodynamic limit, because there is insufficient time and space for the gas to fully expand. The speed of sound (~900 m/s) is only one component of this limit, not the direct cause that locks the projectile's velocity.
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Unified conclusion:
"The speed of sound is the 'foundation' that determines the ultimate limiting velocity of the projectile, but it is not the 'wall' that locks the actual muzzle velocity. In transient expansion, the projectile velocity can exceed the local speed of sound, until it approaches the thermodynamic limit determined jointly by the speed of sound and the specific heat ratio."
The following content is generated by AI.
Statement 1: "The upper limit of projectile velocity is determined by the speed of sound."
· Applicable scenario: Steady-state flow (e.g., Laval nozzles, rocket nozzles), or deflagration mode (conventional flame propagation).
· Physical content: In a constant-cross-section duct, choked flow locks the gas flow velocity at the local speed of sound. In deflagration, the flame propagation speed itself is far below the speed of sound, energy release is slow, and the projectile velocity is naturally limited to a relatively low level.
· Conclusion: In this scenario, the speed of sound is indeed a hard ceiling.
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Statement 2: "The projectile velocity can exceed the speed of sound, and the upper limit is far higher than the speed of sound."
· Applicable scenario: Transient expansion (projectile acceleration inside a gun barrel), or detonation mode (supersonic combustion wave).
· Physical content: In transient expansion, the macroscopic directed velocity of gas particles can far exceed the local speed of sound (because the pressure differential is large enough). As long as the gas velocity remains higher than the projectile velocity, the projectile can continue to accelerate. In detonation, the combustion wave itself propagates at supersonic speed, and the driven gas velocity increases correspondingly.
· Conclusion: In this scenario, the speed of sound is not the direct limit on projectile velocity; rather, the macroscopic flow velocity of the gas is the immediate condition that determines whether the projectile can continue to accelerate.
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The ultimate limiting velocity of the projectile is determined by the thermodynamic limit formula:
v_{max} = \sqrt{\frac{2\gamma}{\gamma-1} \cdot R \cdot T_0}
· For propane–air (deflagration, ~2200 K), this limit is approximately 3700 m/s.
· For propane–air (detonation, higher temperature), this limit would be even higher (though extremely difficult to achieve in practice).
However: In a short barrel, the actual velocity the projectile can achieve (200–800 m/s) is far below the thermodynamic limit, because there is insufficient time and space for the gas to fully expand. The speed of sound (~900 m/s) is only one component of this limit, not the direct cause that locks the projectile's velocity.
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Unified conclusion:
"The speed of sound is the 'foundation' that determines the ultimate limiting velocity of the projectile, but it is not the 'wall' that locks the actual muzzle velocity. In transient expansion, the projectile velocity can exceed the local speed of sound, until it approaches the thermodynamic limit determined jointly by the speed of sound and the specific heat ratio."