What do you think is cooler, pneumatic, or combustion??
i think your only going to get flamed.....if your even allowed into the contest after this....i would suggest actually do something productive
and dont you dare go and start kicking topics....
and dont you dare go and start kicking topics....
There are rules, and then there are hundred dollar bills.
- crazyfreak0075
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LOL. PWNED. Yeah try to contribute something good to the patato gun community.
- MrCrowley
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I think its cooler when the topic poster searches the damn forums and find 5 other threads like this and decides not to spam to get his post count higher for a compeition 2months away.What do you think is cooler, pneumatic, or combustion??
- joannaardway
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I would agree. It's worth researching before looking like a total idiot.
Now, I'll answer the question. I prefer pneumatics overall - but I think that combustions are "cooler", partly because of the muzzle flash and all that.
Now, I'll answer the question. I prefer pneumatics overall - but I think that combustions are "cooler", partly because of the muzzle flash and all that.
Novacastrian: How about use whatever the heck you can get your hands on?
frankrede: Well then I guess it won't matter when you decide to drink bleach because your out of kool-aid.
...I'm sorry, but that made my year.
frankrede: Well then I guess it won't matter when you decide to drink bleach because your out of kool-aid.
...I'm sorry, but that made my year.
- Pete Zaria
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I understand where you're at man, but the patrons of this forum aren't very tolerating of useless posts, as you can see.... Best way to up your post count without getting flamed is to post positive comments about people's guns - but find ones posted in the last week or two, otherwise it's kicking up an old topic (also gets you flamed).kf4oij wrote:So, in an effort to get my post count high enough to enter the contest, and at the same time see what you guys think would be cool for a spud gun. I thought I would post this to see.
I prefer combustions because they're portable. A properly built pneumatic can definitely have more power, though.
I'd just like to note, my metered propane over/under combustion has never once misfired. Why should it? Perfect 4% propane mix every time, chamber fan, spark strip. It's as reliable as a pneumatic, and much more portable. :pBluetooth wrote:Yeah, I agree. Pneumatics kick ass because of the power of them and there are no misfires. Combustion just have the muzzle flash.
Peace,
Pete Zaria.
- willarddaniels
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Interesting reasoning for a new thread... I haven't been a member all that long and I reached 50 posts quite quickly. I guess that is because I have been actively participating in the forums. No, I am not a post whore, I do not create threads just to have people listen to me nor do I say "cool cannon, nice paint, you shouldn't use DWV" on all the showcase threads. I am, however, long-winded
I prefer combustions because of their portability and it has something to do with FIRE.
I prefer combustions because of their portability and it has something to do with FIRE.
I totally agree.risto wrote:i find it funny that he wanted to help HIS post count, when its mainly the senior members who are benefiting from a higher post! =]
This thread does nothing except boost existing members postcount.
I'll repost again in a minute after an acceptable pause of a couple of posts
...or maybe this thread should disappear
- boilingleadbath
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I felt like making a useless post:
Well, you lazy person, go use the GGDT. You'll find that the gasses, on exit, are significantly below the freezing point of water - to the tune of -50 to -100*F
We then note that any degree of research will show that combustions derive their pressure from temperature.
A bit more research will lead you to write this formula:
(V<sub>p</sub>P<sub>0</sub>T<sub>0</sub>) / (V<sub>0</sub>P<sub>f</sub>) = T<sub>p</sub>
Where V<sub>0</sub> is the initial volume, V<sub>p</sub> is the volume at the optimum (perfect) ratio, P<sub>0</sub> is the initial particle count (in the case of propane-air, 26), P<sub>f</sub> is the post-reaction particle count at (27), T<sub>0</sub> is the initial temperature in absolute units, and T<sub>p</sub> is the temperature at the optimum ratio.
This is based on the assumption that the pressure at the optimum ratio is equal to the starting pressure. This is not true for hybrids - but you should be able to figure out how to account for that factor.
We substitute the values like so:
(2.25L*26p*293K)/(1L*27p) = T<sub>p</sub>
...and solve to find that T<sub>p</sub> equals 635K.
Now, we note that this calculation ignores any evaporation of potato juices, but the optimum ratio for the latke tests using the sabot slugs suggest that this, at least up to the optimum ratio, is at most minor effect.
Also, you might note that this is the temperature when the pressure equals zero PSIG, and that the gasses might further cool off due to their momentum or such. I will not dispute that these effects might exist, but I doubt their seriousness.
So, I feel reasonably secure in saying that the exhaust gasses of a combustion spudgun are significantly hotter, on average, than the exhaust gasses of a pneumatic launcher, or, as you put it, that <b>pneumatics are cooler</b>.
(that was fun)
Well, you lazy person, go use the GGDT. You'll find that the gasses, on exit, are significantly below the freezing point of water - to the tune of -50 to -100*F
We then note that any degree of research will show that combustions derive their pressure from temperature.
A bit more research will lead you to write this formula:
(V<sub>p</sub>P<sub>0</sub>T<sub>0</sub>) / (V<sub>0</sub>P<sub>f</sub>) = T<sub>p</sub>
Where V<sub>0</sub> is the initial volume, V<sub>p</sub> is the volume at the optimum (perfect) ratio, P<sub>0</sub> is the initial particle count (in the case of propane-air, 26), P<sub>f</sub> is the post-reaction particle count at (27), T<sub>0</sub> is the initial temperature in absolute units, and T<sub>p</sub> is the temperature at the optimum ratio.
This is based on the assumption that the pressure at the optimum ratio is equal to the starting pressure. This is not true for hybrids - but you should be able to figure out how to account for that factor.
We substitute the values like so:
(2.25L*26p*293K)/(1L*27p) = T<sub>p</sub>
...and solve to find that T<sub>p</sub> equals 635K.
Now, we note that this calculation ignores any evaporation of potato juices, but the optimum ratio for the latke tests using the sabot slugs suggest that this, at least up to the optimum ratio, is at most minor effect.
Also, you might note that this is the temperature when the pressure equals zero PSIG, and that the gasses might further cool off due to their momentum or such. I will not dispute that these effects might exist, but I doubt their seriousness.
So, I feel reasonably secure in saying that the exhaust gasses of a combustion spudgun are significantly hotter, on average, than the exhaust gasses of a pneumatic launcher, or, as you put it, that <b>pneumatics are cooler</b>.
(that was fun)
- pyromaniac
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dont spam for post count! read the treads and youll find out. Post your spud guns for higher post!
I like pnuematic teh most though
I like pnuematic teh most though
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