Going out of my mind, thought you guys could help.

A place for general potato gun questions and discussion.
Drake78
Recruit
Recruit
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:13 am

I'm a special effects artist and i'm doing a job where I need to blow up a fake head. I've built a pneumatic system, but it's not working the way I want. What I need is a radial blast, similar to an explosion. If I use the spudgun design, the blast(projectile) takes a linear path. Does anybody have any idea how I would make the cannon "explode" instead of "shoot"?
Please help, time is of the essence. Thanks.
User avatar
Carlman
Staff Sergeant 2
Staff Sergeant 2
Posts: 1618
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:18 am
Location: Western Australia
Been thanked: 2 times

dwv...







jokes man dont really do that...

probobly have to go pyrotechnics for that one mate of which you cannot discuss here.
Image
Aussie spudders unite!!
User avatar
jimmy101
Sergeant Major 2
Sergeant Major 2
United States of America
Posts: 3210
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:48 am
Location: Greenwood, Indiana
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 18 times
Contact:

Build the head with a balloon inside. Plumb a large pressure tank into the head / balloon via an electrically operated sprinkler valve. Fill the balloon with pink glop. When the balloon bursts you'll get a radial blast.
Image
User avatar
jrrdw
Moderator
Moderator
United States of America
Posts: 6572
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:11 pm
Location: Maryland
Has thanked: 39 times
Been thanked: 22 times
Contact:

jimmy101 wrote:Build the head with a balloon inside. Plumb a large pressure tank into the head / balloon via an electrically operated sprinkler valve. Fill the balloon with pink glop. When the balloon bursts you'll get a radial blast.
10/4 on that. A nice size storage chamber pumped up to 100psi getting dumped all at once will bust any ballon that I know of.
User avatar
Hotwired
First Sergeant 3
First Sergeant 3
Posts: 2599
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:51 am
Location: UK

It may still have a linear blast despite using a balloon.

Although Carlman was joking about DWV, actually pressurising a "hard" chamber to destruction as opposed to a soft balloon would mean a much more radial blast as the chamber itself could hold the full pressure you were after before bursting and not require the blast to be directed in by a cannon. Also, a soft balloon might cause distortion before bursting (good or bad?).

It wouldn't have to fill the entire head of course as the blast would do the rest. I'm thinking of a small drinks bottle pressurised til it blows (could be up to 300psi to do that) or pressurised to 100psi or so and burst with a puncturing device.
User avatar
Biopyro
Corporal 2
Corporal 2
Posts: 654
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:32 am
Location: UK

Try using a muzzle brake, except no point for the projectile to exit.
A little like this,
http://www.septicsolutions.net/store/Im ... nch_LG.jpg
the air would not be able to go up, but would instead be forced to spread out in a 2D radial shape.

My ideal solution would be a "sun" or hedgehog shaped pipe arrangement, but there aren't any conventional fittings which allow this.
Last edited by Biopyro on Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin
brogdenlaxmiddie
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 562
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:19 pm

I'm with Biopyro. Just add a piece on top of your barrel that goes into the head to stop the blast and push it towards the sides. Should be exactly what you need.
User avatar
Hotwired
First Sergeant 3
First Sergeant 3
Posts: 2599
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:51 am
Location: UK

Bear in mind that if using a multi-directional blast spreader inside the head you will end up with it still being there after the "head" gets blown off.
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26219
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 581 times
Been thanked: 347 times

I would go with something tougher than a balloon, perhaps a PET bottle - made for water, not carbonated soft drinks though, as they blow at lower pressures.

The issue would be getting it to fail consistently as opposed to teraing in one location.
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
User avatar
Biopyro
Corporal 2
Corporal 2
Posts: 654
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:32 am
Location: UK

PET bottles would be good, but I have tested a 2l bottle (lower burst pressure) up to 100psi, and it only burst when I gave it a good tap.
It mostly destroyed itself in small pieces on one side (the whacked side) but the other side was left fairly intact.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin
User avatar
Fnord
First Sergeant 2
First Sergeant 2
Posts: 2239
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:20 pm
Location: Pripyat
Been thanked: 1 time
Contact:

I'd go with the combustion route for this. Preferably a small bag or one of those plastic juice bottles filled with an acetylene or oxy/propane mix. It's perfectly safe so long as you keep static away by working in a semi-wet environment and use hearing/eye protection.

It'll give you a much better *pop* than a pneumatic system would as well as no debris or water vapor flying around. The most you'll have to worry about is doing some post production on 1 or 2 frames to remove the flash.
Image
User avatar
rp181
Sergeant
Sergeant
Posts: 1090
Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:47 pm
Contact:

just put a flat plate about a inch away from the barrel, perpendicular to the barrel, so when looked at sideways, it looks like a "T"
User avatar
jook13
Specialist 4
Specialist 4
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:39 pm
Location: Prescott Arizona

you could try putting an end-cap over the barrel and drilling a bunch of holes facing all different directions... Just trying to come up with a simple solution.

Or you could just make the head itself a combustion chamber. You know, fill the head with propane and then ignite.
I like to play blackjack. I'm not addicted to gambling, I'm addicted to sitting in a semi-circle.
User avatar
Biopyro
Corporal 2
Corporal 2
Posts: 654
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:32 am
Location: UK

_Fnord wrote:I'd go with the combustion route for this. Preferably a small bag or one of those plastic juice bottles filled with an acetylene or oxy/propane mix. It's perfectly safe so long as you keep static away by working in a semi-wet environment and use hearing/eye protection.

It'll give you a much better *pop* than a pneumatic system would as well as no debris or water vapor flying around. The most you'll have to worry about is doing some post production on 1 or 2 frames to remove the flash.
That would probably work really well, especially as you'd have the advantage of it being near instant. Using a PET bottle should work well too because any shrapnel is extremely light.

I thought about the endcap method too, but you'd need pretty good flow or it really wouldn't work.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Post Reply

Create an account or sign in to join the discussion

You need to be a member in order to post a reply

Create an account

Not a member? register to join our community
Members can start their own topics & subscribe to topics
It’s free and only takes a minute

Register

Sign in

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post