Pop-off / Safety Valve to empty a chamber

[Strigol]

Working out an idea in my head and wanted some advice before I'd built anything

Working on a piston, air flow would be coming in through a schrader valve

Could you use a Safety valve as a sort of semi-auto device?

Fill the chamber to the safety valves pressure. Safety valve blows, piston comes back to the epoxy stops, sealing off the valves and firing my projectile.

[jrrdw]

No i don't think it will work because after enough air escapes through the pop off it will close back up. May not be enough to acuate the piston.

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[ramses]

I agree, but with proper choice of tee and barrel (using a bigger tee than normal) a lower pressure drop would be necessary for actuation. The popoff on my 150psi compressor closes at roughly 50psi. Using that example, the piston would start to close when the chamber reached 50psi. This would have the advantage of retaining some air in the chamber for the next shot. at 100psi, a minimum C:B ration would be 1:1.

I would be more concerned about low flow through the schrader.

the piston would need to be very tight, maybe with a check valve integrated into the leak hole type thing.

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

No i don't think it will work because after enough air escapes through the pop off it will close back up. May not be enough to acuate the piston.

I think it will

[Strigol]

Thanks for the link, big help looking at it

I had one more question though, anyone know how fast a standard pop off valve would exhaust at ~90psi

[jackssmirkingrevenge]

I had one more question though, anyone know how fast a standard pop off valve would exhaust at ~90psi

It depends on the size of your chamber.

Have a look here for my experiences on the subject.

I was fine with a homemade pop-off but when it came to using a standard one (check the end of the thread) it turns out the pilot volume was too small for it to work effectively.

My best success so far was using a pop-off valve directly as a firing valve.

[psycix]

No i don't think it will work because after enough air escapes through the pop off it will close back up. May not be enough to acuate the piston.

I think it will

I'm very sure it will.
More information on this within a few days...

[Strigol]

Once again thanks for the links

If I ever get a day off work, I'll be attempting my build finally

[jonnyboy]

The schrader valve may not be enough to seal the piston. I would look into building a snap valve as a pilot btb built one for his qev+pop off gun.

[Mitchza89]

Pop off valves are still the best actuator I've ever used. I took the spring out of it and stuck on a sear to hold the pin of the pop off valve closed. As soon as you rip out that sear, the pop off valve I could say had 'explosive' air flow. I'm sticking one on my new marble piston gun now


...And yes, I achieved semi-auto on the same gun using a pop off valve. It took me a lot of mucking around with the piston, pilot and spring but I got it. Except I preferred the 'no spring and sear'.